So this is it? This is how we discover what kind of team the Raiders are?
After all that was said in the past, after all of the grinding, promises about change, and continuous banter about the greatness being in the future, this is how we show what we truly are? Into the garbage chute, flyboys!
This hurts like getting your damn hand was cut off, doesn't it? (believe me, I know the feeling)
Truth be told, though, if you were honestly a good observer, you'd know we didn't have a chance in holy Hell of beating a team like this one. You hope for the best and all, but you honestly know the inevitable is coming.
All I can say is, if the greatness of the Raiders is in the future like a wise, old man once said, I just hope it's coming more sooner than later, kids.
Here we are again. I really want to blame Palmer like the rest of you. I really do. But when you have an offense without the help of your number 1 and 2 Running backs, wield an under achieving offensive line, faulty playbook, and carry injured wide receivers, I just can't put it on him, fans.
We all know he makes mistakes at times and tries to fit passes in areas that shouldn't be thrown, but have you ever pondered why? He's simply trying to make a play!
You also have to question the unsure hands of the tight ends/receivers and also realize that miscommunication follows the offense. Take time to ask yourself once in a while; Who is not getting the playbook? A seasoned Veteran that has years under him or players that are young and just starting off in their short careers?
At least there was a silver lining. Marcel Reece had the game of his life. He almost racked up 200 yards of total offense! (193). He ran with the ball like a battering ram, caught the ball like a Vet and punished all of those who got in the way.
It was a great honor to meet him at a Warrior game and I will always remember how cool of a cat he actually was. Good things happen to good people, indeed.
I'll also give an honorable mention to Darrius Heyward-Bey (4 catches for 69 yards) and the continuing progressive, Brandon Myers (6 for 55 yards, 1 TD). He failed to catch a ball on a key down and beat himself up for it but a few plays later he caught a difficult pass in the Black Hole's end zone. That's what I call redemption, Raider Nation.
We all know who is at fault most of the game and during the season, right? I mean, you don't get to be WORST in the NFL at giving up points for nothing, right?
Instead of listing the guys that I don't think had a great game or season, I'll simply list the guys we should keep around for the 2013 season: Miles Burris, Phillip Wheeler, Matt Giordano, Tyvon Branch and Mike Huff. The rest are open for debate.
An honorable mention goes to Rolando McClain for an ok game with 3 tackles with 7 assists. I only wish he were faster and improved on his coverage skills.
Notes from NFL game summary:
Owner Mark Davis made a rare appearance in the locker room after the game and said he wasn't happy with what he has seen the last few weeks.The Raiders (3-7) lost their third straight game under first-year coach Dennis Allen as their banged-up defense got picked apart by Brees' precision passing. Oakland has allowed 135 points in those defeats -- the most in a three-game span for the franchise since allowing 141 in the first three games in 1961.
"I'm patient. But I want to see progress," he said. "I don't want to see regression. Nobody does. And that's why I'm unhappy today."
Carson Palmer threw one interception that was returned for a score and another in the end zone, the Raiders left receivers open all day and Oakland struggled to tackle in another thorough beating. The Raiders have been outscored by 56 points the past two games.
The only bright spot for the Raiders was fullback Marcel Reece, who rushed for 103 yards and added 90 yards receiving as he started at halfback in place of injured Darren McFadden and Mike Goodson.
"It doesn't make you feel good," Allen said. "I know we're better than that, and I know we can play better than that. And we'll continue to work, and we'll get better."
Travaris Cadet then returned the second-half kickoff 75 yards and Ingram ran it in from the 27 on the next play and the rout was on. Brees and Moore connected one more time in third quarter to make it 35-10.Brees broke open a close game late in the first half when he found Moore all alone in the end zone behind Michael Huff and fill-in safety Mike Mitchell for a 38-yard touchdown pass in the final minute of the first half to make it 21-7.
"I just know that all of us aren't playing well right now," Oakland linebacker Philip Wheeler said. "We're just not playing well, and we just got to get better. We've played well in spurts, we just have to play well all the time."
The Saints easily scored on their first possession as Brees completed five of six passes on an 80-yard drive capped by a 1-yard toss to Jimmy Graham.
Palmer then threw a pair of interceptions on passes to Brandon Myers with Malcolm Jenkins returning the first 55 yards for a touchdown and Roman Harperpicking the second one off in the end zone after it went through Myers' hands.
Brees has won his last seven starts against the Raiders with 16 touchdowns and no interceptions. ... The Raiders failed to score in the final 2 minutes of the first half for the first time this season. ... Former Raiders coach Jon Gruden lit the torch honoring late Oakland owner Al Davis.
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Nation, it's a tough day and month for us all. Take pride in knowing you still have a loving family that will honor, cherish, love, and support you as long as you breath.
Hope for a better day, look for the positives for the up and coming year and try to find solutions that will make us better. Help me Obi-Wan, you're my only hope.
Have a great Thanksgiving!
As a Raiders fan for over 30 years, it is sad to watch the Raiders now. Not only are we losing but we're not even competitive. All the blame does not fall on Carson, but from day one, I said, we cannot win with Carson Palmer as our starter. Carson has a career win percentage of .449 (118 games, 53 wins, 65 losses, including 2 playoff appearances, both losses), he's one of only a few, career starting QBs with a win percentage under .500. Lose more games than you win = LOSER. We need to trade DMC because he cannot stay healthy. Trade him while he still has some value. The GM, head coach Dennis Allen, Off Coordinator, Greg Knapp; Def Coordinator, Jason Tarver, all must go. Now that Al has transitioned, maybe we can get a big name GM, like a Bill Parcels, or a Jimmy Johnson, someone who can turn a franchise around.
This is where we are, people. I'm not going to beat the dead horse about the past offseason where we should have been trading chips for picks if we're rebuilding, but imho we simply pushed the inevitable back another year by not doing so. This is where it gets hard because - if we're being honest with ourselves - we're going into the offseason no better off than we were in the last offseason. We have more picks, but we've also exposed a couple players who might have brought us some picks LAST year... DMC? Who's going to give up anything for him now with another injury marred season? McClain? He's worthless too now. If we're going to rebuild - then REBUILD. I'm with Darth on the defense - the guys he noted are really the only ones worth keeping around for a new future.
So far as the offense - we're going to lay it all on Carson when he's the ONLY guy on offense playing at a winning level? Has he thrown some INTs? Sure. But as Joshua says - he's playing behind by 20 all the time. No team can pass their way to success. Especially with no running game, a swiss cheese OL and WRs that are made of glass with butter fingers. Personally I've seen enough from Pryor already. He might work out as a WR or some kind of hybrid part time player like Tebow or Kordell - but he's years (if ever) away from being a starting QB imho. His contract is up this year if I remember correctly - I'd rather trade him for whatever we can get and look for a franchise guy who can take over after Palmer's deal is done. But - to be honest - I still think Palmer is viable if we can put some players around him.
@Indy! All with you on the rebuilding thoughts - would have been the perfect time to say "ok, lets start all the way fro scratch and rebuild as effective as possible - this is truly the new era!"!
Reg has undertaken a lot of changes, but if they ever truly believed (and i really doubt they did) that they had a legit chance of a PO adventure, they were seriously lying to themselves!
We should have been
- stacking up on picks from players that no longer fit while they still had worth, while significantly restructuring or cutting all expensive players with no future on the team and no trade value (happened to some degree already),
- securing players that needed to be secured long term (like Reece),
- adding young potential keepers in FA (Wheeler was a great and cheap addition,but several more could have been had; for instance Tulloch),
- giving the young hopefulls on the roster a chance to prove their worth in the games (Chekwa, DVD, Barksdale never really got a shot, and why is Pryor not at least in for some simple packages in garbagetime to see if he can complement the offense in spot duty) instead of relying on over the hill players with no future on the team as starters (im looking at you Carlisle),
- Establish a coaching staff you believe in for the future in order to create stability and continuity going forward (granted, Reg was out too late to get any top shelf talent on most positions so this might not have been possible at the time, but too many of the position coaches and the coordinator hunt seems to need replacing in the coming year which is another issue in a rebuild),
- officially let the fanbase and players know that the actions would serve to establish the base of the future, while letting the players know that only those who proves their worth would get to stay, and accepting that even though you field the best team possible, you would be underdogs to the division (not giving up, but accepting the terms)...
... instead it has turned into a cleaning process that will continue into the next season and postpone the progression another year! It usually takes 3 full drafts to rebuild a team from the bottom, and it seems that that is the way that Reggie is going! The coming off season will lead to yet another overhaul, hopefully one that will bring at least some progression, because we sure aren't showing any right now!
About the defensive players - imo you greatly undervalue both Shaughnessey and Houston! Both are very solid against the run and are young promising payers (Shaugh still not all the way back from injury, will be next year)! Houston has the versatility to play all positions in both a 43 and a 34 while Shaughnessey is naturally more limited to the 43 it would seem!
Giordano is a great practice player, reminds me of Gradkowski that way (did i read that comparison by you as well @nilbymouth ?) - and also in the way that neither are starterworthy in the league! He is a decent back up and he is fired up, but dang he misses a lot of tackles, is malplaced and just miserably fails to impact the game positively aside for a couple if ints that happened to fall into his hands (one great one if i remember correctly)! Not saying he should be cut, but to me he is not nearly a sure bet to be on the team and is a ST and 3rd string talent only imo!
I don't like Palmer because he was brought in and hailed as the second coming, but truth is that he is decent with a plus to it - nothing more nothing less!
He should not have to suffer for the fact that we overpaid for him (i have been judging him on that, but that is not his fault), and he is at least a solid transitioning QB for the next couple of years while rebuilding the roster! He can make all the throws, has a grasp of the defenses and knows the offense - yet he will never be a top shelf QB like Manning, Brees, Brady, Rodgers, or even the likes of the group right behind them)!
His stats are up as a result of garbage time catching up, and he makes too many mistakes to win singlehandedly (which most would) - but he is not the one costing us in games, and would definately be a lot more effective if we actually had a rushing attack to complement him!
Knabb and his inefficient running attack and unimaginatory playcalling, Offensive line woes , defensive blunders, no pass rush and absolutely no coaching adjustments are clearly more to fault!
It is just so frustrating to keep watching the games and our regression without any real consequenses to it! Please admit that this is a rebuilding mode and supply us with some sort of belief in the new era, because even though this new regime to some degree gets a pass as a result of the benefit of the doubt that goes with a rebuild, i personally lose a little bit of my faith in it every time we regress without owning up to the issues and openly admitting that we have lengths to go before we are where we need to be!
We are NOT competititve and and a threat to the division, and we will NOT be so in the coming years until the roster and rebuild is beginning to take shape! Raidernation is in it for the long haul, but we are starving, please give us something to believe in for the future!!
@JoshuaMcDaniel2 of course we are down twenty...cp has bucked 2 int and one pick six....overthrown 2 guys on third down and tripped on his own ass
on offense we rarely move the ball consistently when the game is close. we drop balls, we miss blocks, we literally trip over ourselves....or palmer decides to sling it seemingly blindfolded....look we have a fragile "star back " whose production in five years is little better than average , a 70 year old QB who never was that good and is fast approaching poor...a set of wide outs who i happen to like...but dont seem coached....an invisible o line ...a scheme that fits like a brick and a coach who leads the league in how to rape your own team at half time....my god i wish we were rebuilding.
looking at defense....i would keep houston , wheeler and burris... that's it and only it....huff was poor at safety and even worse at corner...and so what if he made the change that's what being a team player is about...you do what you have to do, just hopefully not that badly. branch is not a favorite of mine and i see him as serviceable at best. giordano is not fit for the silver and black and it says a lot about where we are that he even is on the rosta. fat slow rolando can go and i dont care where just as long as it aint here. the whole d line is an underachieving disgrace (except houston).
offense....wow we are the nfl leaders in garbage time...stop telling me how many bloody yards palmer is on for...its all relative, jeff george lit it up for us but i was well glad he didnt stick around...palmer must go.....
look we aint rebuilding, to suggest that would be to suggest some sort of plan and logic at work....clearly not the case.
Firstly, I won't get started about Palmer! I don't blame him for these losses at all but he does force too many throws and makes what I consider rookie mistakes too often. Also, I still think he is missing the type of leadership that Campbell showed with getting the team able to rally behind him. Secondly, it's about time Reece got the ball in his hands more often! How it has taken this far into the season and few injuries for this to happen?!? I would honestly consider keeping him at RB or at least splitting the carries with McFadden when he is back. Finaly, as for the Defense, you missed one guy: Lamarr Houston. His stats may not be the best but if he had the supporting cast around him helping, he would be being discussed as a Defense POTY with Watt and Aldon Smith. Also I'm not sure about Giordano being kept around! Don't get me wrong he has the heart of a Lion and tries his ass out on thefield but he just doesn't have the talent (reminds me of a former favourite QB of mine in Bruce Gradkowski).