Despite signing cornerback Ronald Bartell on Friday, the Raiders are still looking for help at cornerback as they are very thin at that position - even with Bartell's signing they still only have 4 cornerbacks currently on the roster.
On Friday, the Raiders met with former 49ers CB Shawnte Spencer. Raiders new defensive coordinator Jason Tarver was with the 49ers for year before a year at Stanford last season and will be familiar with Spencer's abilities. That the Raiders are looking at him most likely means that Tarver thinks he's a possible future Raider.
Spencer is another big cornerback at 6'1", 190 lbs. He was a 2nd round draft pick in 2004. He was a starter at right cornerback for the 49ers almost from the start.
He played in all 16 games as a rookie, starting 12. Over his career he has started 72 of the 98 games in which he's played. He started and played in every game in both 2009 and 2010.
When the coaching staff changed and Harbaugh took over the 49ers, Spencer lost his starting job in camp and moved to nickel and progressively got less playing time as the season wore on.
He was due $3.3 million for this next season and was cut by the team as a cap casualty.
The Raiders are reportedly still in the mix for former New Orleans CB Tracy Porter, as well, although there are no reports they have worked him out at this time. Porter played under Raiders head coach Dennis Allen when he was the defensive backs coach for the Saints.
Nnamdi was a C Woodson or a Mike Haynes - a prototype. There's no replacing the best CB in the league. Those guys only come around about once every decade. We can't afford to be paying them $15 mil anyway.
Hope the Raiders sign Spencer and Porter. Bartell has potential (if healthy) to be a good cornerback, but he is nowhere in the league of Asomugha, like Kush is trying to say. Go read your stats on Asomugha Kush, I think you forgot how good he really was.....Bartell is a high risk signing by the Raiders, as a cracked vertebre in one's neck is a very serious injury that will always be vulnerable in that one spot, even when fully healed.
personally im surprised kellys name hasn't popped up in no off season conversation yet, cut or resigned or restructured. i still dont think were done making those types of moves, maybe his bonus date or something hasn't arrived yet. they cant be totally pleased with his play thus far (im not), even though it has improved since seymour arrived. just thought he would be better against the run
Hurt to see Winbston going to KC, theey seem to be handling their franchise pretty well at the moment imo, and a solid O-Line with the trio of Charles, McCluxter and Hillis (who when healthy is definately a brawler who can act as both FB and RB) is something we will have to deal with! Only good thing is that Cassel is no good at all, so even with a great team they have a key issue in him (which can be schemed against)!
Brisiel was a good signing, although a bit expensive - guess we had to pay a little more to lure him away from the Texans - fair enough! With all the centers going we need to bring back Satele imo - if we then get another constellaiton he can be a backup, but otherwise he can be a serviceable backup!
Really think we should kick the tires on Marcus McNeill! He is still young, and IF he can become healthy he is a major upgrade at RT, and he will not command a large contract (reportedly that is)! Anthony Collins (Bengals) could also be a cheap option with great potential, he is young and seems to handle himself really well imo!
Was sorry to see Langford go to the Rams, but guess they have a plan with those on the roster and potential draftees and UDFAs later on! WIll be interesting!
For CB we need to get Porter locked up asap imo! Spencer can be brought in cheaply as well, but with the uncertainty surrounding Bartell (health wise), and with only two 2nd year CBs besides, we need to add Porter to the mix as he can be a decent priced starter going forward!!
Then comes the LB squad - actually think we may get to see a pretty big name soon, would be nice to see a leader and hard hitter brought in! Keeping my fingers crossed, as a solid LB corps can do a lot to this Defense!
Spencer does sound good - exactly the kind of guy I thought RMcK would be sniffing out ... hope we sign him. Bartell also sounds very good pick up and I like the idea of a 1 year contract - it means that he will really playing hard this season, to earn big $$$ next season.
If Bartell says healthy, it's likely he'll emulate the 'Former Awesome-one' verus Stanford Routt ... he's that kind of talent in this league. go and ask Fitzergald of what he thinks... or many other ELITE QBs out there how it is trying to complete a pass with Bartell in coverage... i'm tellin ya.. they would rather not deal with it... which is why his interception rate is very low..
. i promise everyone this much... we will have a defense where one CB is aloud to shadow the #1 receiver on the opposing team all game long... instead of when Asomugha not covering anyone specific much of the time...
i would feel comfortable letting Spencer, Checkwa, and DVD fight for the other corner spot ... i like the competition in that bunch...
with the saved money from not getting Tracy Porter ... next move would be to bring in EJ Henderson... the man could be a very good piece to an ILB tandem and help McClain makes tackles at the LOS in 3-4 alignment ... and would cost considerably less than the aforementioned Lofton that i've been clamoring over! Franklin is a putz, but could come at vet. minimum... he would or resigning Hendu.. and we have ourselves a 3-4 lineup... hey, Mr. Allen said we would be running different schemes... where's the NT and other ILB?
@Indy! True that. Only way to get one of those guys this year is drafting him at 5th round... and that would be a miracle because A) That kind of talent never goes that far into the draft, and B) No one has spotted that kind of talent in this Draft Class.
I think we could sign one of Spencer or Porter, but I cannot see both being signed. It would be nice, but I think one of these two plus a new LB would be better.
@massillonraider Maybe the good one reason I find to keep Tommy Kelly is we don't have anyone else to play. We know that if we go 3-4, Richard Seymour will be DE, if we go 4-3 we would still be lacking depth at Tackle. There was little NT options on this FA class, even when I keep saying Aubrayo Franklin makes the most sense, I haven't seen any other team interested, so maybe there are some kind of issues there. Tommy Kelly might not be the best option, but he's still under contract and put him under a "restructure or be released" kind of situation might get things stressful. Maybe we're waiting to find another viable option before As I say, that's the only reason I could find.
As you said maybe because he has no bonus due coming up he is being held onto for now and can cut him after mini-camp if they decide he isn't what they are wanting. Another option he is being kept is to be used as tradebait come draft time? We could package him with our fifth round selection to move up to the third round maybe? But I agree I can't see how they see that he is worth his current contract.
@DARKKUSH Henderson is good, but he thinks he deserves elite money and come on, hes just plain good. Also, having Death Ro, Curry and Goethel there, I think OLB would be the one we should be looking for.
About NT, I think Aubrayo Franklin would be our best choice, but maybe (and that's me just making a wild guess) Dennis Allen is OK with Tommy Kelly as NT (I mean they haven't even talked about restructuring his 'out of whack' contract).
I agree about Bartell being a quality CB, but not sure if he is in the same class as Aso! Regardless if he is fully healthy from his neck injury (the doctors have cleared him) he could be a find as he has had no other serious injuries I can think of.
Spencer would also be a good pickup of he is cheap enough, with DVD the nickel CB. I still think Huff may be better moved to CB though and us instead going after a new safety.
@nilbymouth I would definitely like to see either Spencer or Porter in a Raider uniform, no question. Just not sold on Bartell due the severity of the injury to his neck. I agree with you on the need for signing an LB versus signing two cornerbacks. If we could get a guy like Tulloch, the Raiders will have hit a home run...Just hope McKenzie will reach into the Raider pocket book and sign this guy. Tulloch is the real deal...
@Black_Nightmare Franklin makes so much sense right now! Could be a great stop-gap player in a year where we will be a hybrid D because of the personel! He is not what he once was, but he has what it takes and can push the younger players as well! Would be a good signing!
Don't get why TK hasn't had his contract restructured though, but they must have their reasons! Don't see him as a NT at all (except on obvious passing downs), but if they bring in Broderick Bunkley from the Ponies (which they might since he should be pretty cheap based on interest), he could potentially be that guy with TK getting in on 3rd and long! He is CRAZY strong and although he is not really a pass rusher, and not the largest in the world, he is a great runstopper and anchor in the middle! Could be a decent and cheap option!
I like Franklin also as he will be relatively cheap and he can play the NT in both the 4-3 and 3-4 which would help with some sort of Hybrid defense.
I have seen an article elsewhere about using a 5-2 defense. Could have Kelly in the middle as a NT like position with Seymour and Houston either side, then Shaughnessay and another Free Agent / Rookie as the DE's. Curry and McClain then lined up in the two LB roles. Still not sold on McClain though.
@nilbymouth @DARKKUSH Yeah, comparing anyone to Asomugha is kind of unfair. I see your point though, he's the same type of CB... maybe the same type of player, but I don't think they are the same type of talent. Bartell is a pretty good hire, but even if you ignore his neck problems, having another good CB wouldn't hurt us. Shawntae Spencer is the kind of underrated veteran that I think could be very succesful.
@Spartacus @nilbymouth Bartell's injury was pretty bad, but unlike many guys here I think he's not that much of a risk. I mean, if you get any other veteran CB and he gets hurt, you can always play one of your youngsters who might not be top talent but still can do the job. I think DVD and Chekwa are being underestimated. They both have a lot of potential and even if it would be much better to have Bartell/Porter than DVD/Chekwa, they are both good prospects and that should ease our worries about Bartell's health.