In the 2000's, the Colts became a perennial playoff team because of their explosive offense. Clearly, much of that had to do with Peyton being who he is. But as we've seen in more recent years, a good QB cannot do it alone. He needs explosive players around him to be able to catch the balls he throws and carry the ball as well. And in that decade much of the Colts' success came with Manning, Marvin Harrison and Edgerrin James – affectionately known as the Triplets.
Moving into the 2012 season, the Raiders are looking at a trio that could be their own version of the Triplets if they can reach their considerable potential. Each of the three has the skills and explosion to be able to be among the best at their position but each has their own question marks as well.
The player lining up behind center will be Carson Palmer. Palmer looked like he got progressively better as the season progressed last season. Obviously, his first few games were very rough. He didn't have chemistry with his receivers. He didn't know the Raiders' offense. And he hadn't played a down of real football since the previous January – almost 10 months before.
By season's end, however, Palmer looked much more comfortable – slinging the ball into some very tight windows and by and large avoiding the costly interceptions that had plagued his play in earlier games. The Raiders need him to take his growth throughout last season and take it to an even higher level this season. With a full offseason, he should be able to get into sync with his new wide receivers.
This receiver corps includes the second of the Raider Triplets – Denarius Moore. Moore burst onto the scene in last year's training camp, earning rave reviews from the beat writers who witnessed him outperform receivers that were much more veteran. He showed that he could stretch the field and make difficult downfield catches. He didn't make it into the starting lineup for the Raiders until mid-season but when he did, he was able to show why he deserved to be there, putting up some great numbers and making highlight-reel catches.
Moore's question marks involve whether he will be able to become the number one wide receiver the Raiders need. While he showed flashes of being able to be a dominant force when defenses started to account for him more, he wasn't able to produce at the same level. Hopefully with an entire season behind him and with time to learn the nuances of the position from his coaches, the seasoned QB Palmer and his fellow receivers, he'll be able to be much more consistent in year two.
The third member of the trio, Darren McFadden, has already shown that he can be dominant. When healthy, McFadden is one of the most dynamic players in the NFL. The only problem? He's had a very difficult time staying healthy. Raiders fans can only hope that his most recent issue – a Lisfranc sprain – was potentially more due to the truncated season than the alternative – that as gifted as he is, he's unable to withstand the physical requirements of the NFL. The Raiders' shakeup this season started with the GM but has permeated to all areas of the football organization, including the strength and conditioning staff. Hopefully they can find something that the previous staff missed or find the key to keeping McFadden off the sideline and in the game.
If Palmer, Moore and McFadden can positively answer these questions, things look great for the organization. And if Allen and Tarver can improve the defense to a respectable level, the team should be able to earn a playoff berth for the first time since 2003.
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I maybe repeating some points here... But, DHB is a serious part of this offence.
With the way Knapp runs things he looks for short out, slants and curls - now the outstanding WR we have on this offence is DHB. Moore was the out and out 20 yard plus throw deep threat and as this is also going to be important for stretching def and secondaries DHB is the key for Knapps system working properly as no one else can do it as well as him... sooooo lets go one further than a triplet..... lets have a quadruplet
Couple of points I would make - the first being if you folks remember - the Colt "triplets" never even made it to the Super Bowl. So I hope - as Raider fans - we're shooting for something more than they achieved. ;-)
On the stadium issue - it's a crying shame the Raiders are playing in a 50-yr-old dump when teams like the Seahawks and Lions have built 2 new stadiums in the meantime. On the other hand - it's going to be a crying shame when they tear down the Black Hole too. So careful what you wish for...
On the WR issue - we're set at the position imho. DHB, Moore, Ford, Murphy... I don't care who gets the "number one" designation - I think all of them can produce big numbers in a good offensive scheme. DHB has steadily improved and learned something new every season. If you look at the films from his first year - it's obvious why he wasn't catching balls... he was letting the ball hit his body rather than stopping it with his hands. My guess is nobody ever taught him proper hand position in highschool or college - he was getting by on speed alone. With softer passes at the lower levels - that was good enough at the time - but not at the NFL level. He still has trouble with higher passes - but my guess is he's working on that right now.
On the salary/cap issue - this website...
Has totally different numbers than the article on this site. I thought the DHB number was suspicious - but there are some wildly different numbers for Huff, Seabass, Boss, DMC, etc... There's a drop down menu with all of the big name Raiders on it. Don't know which is correct - but if this new list is accurate - our WRs are playing for practically nothing. We should be on our knees thanking the good lord. Vincent Jackson is probably going to be asking for more than ALL our WRs combined (and whining four times as loud about not getting enough passes thrown his way:).
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I just can question how long would it last. Palmer is anyrthing but a youngster, He might not be our QB for many years. Also, with the age usually comes the injuries.
Denarius Moore did show some major talent last year, but he's just enetring his second year. Last year we were all completely excited about Jacoby Ford's rookie season and somehow last one wasn't that impressive. I expect them both to become stars, but it might take a while.
Now, my real questionmark about this triplets is Darren McFadden. Guy is good? Sure. Guy can keep good all season? Well, he hasn't so far. He's too fragile. He's also a guy who didn't play his first two seasons like a top 5 draft pick. Remember Michael Bush was projected to be the starter back in 2010 but he hurted his hand, so DMAC took the starting job.
I do like this offense, but I'm not sure comparing it to the 2000's Coltas is fair.
DHB has become a very good short yardage pass catcher, and could do very well in the West Coast Offense. The problem with DHB, though, is his inability to make consistent plays above his shoulders. DHB struggles on the deep pass, and this is due to the fact that he is not comfortable/natural catching the ball high with his hands. With continued hard work, I could see DHB improve in this area and become a very fine receiver for the Raiders... However, with a player like Vincent Jackson available in the free agent market, if I were the Raiders, I would seriously consider making a move for him and sign him to a contract. It will be expensive, but from a fan and football standpoint, it would be incredible. Jackson is a superstar, and if we paired him up with Denarius Moore, the Raiders could have the best receiving corps in all of football, and oh how nice that would be...
i think dhb will get the 3rd spot of the triplets, but moore seems to have a better knack of locating and playing the ball in the air. bey did improve immensely though he seemed to be in hue's dog housefor some reason which was never really explained
Asher, I like your enthusiasm/optimism but i wouldn't just limit our triplets to just one receiver. I'd liken it to the position ... We have four very good receivers in Moore Ford, Murphy, and lets not forget DHB. Recently, our issues have been with durablity at the position. If the first two gain some resilience and the third refocuses (little gun shy over the middle) we will have a real good chance. Some people don't credit him much but DHB has shown improvement every year and is one TOUGH kid. DMAC is a beast when he's on the field, I just want him to lose the "Tiffany" reference and not break so easy.
@Black_Nightmare Feel the same way! I am highly confident that the offensive roster can make for a very potent offense! .... But comparing it to the 2000's Colts is a reach imo!
Palmer has the technique and the arm to make all the throws, he knows defenses and he has a lot of upside considering he will get a whole offseason and some extra time with the WR corps
- yet, he is not even close to Manning imo!
We have a lot of high character WRs with a great deal of upside and potential, but even a Moore is not a star yet, and we need someone to consistently step up in every game! Might happen sooner rather than later, but there's a long way from potential to star!
D-Mac is the only one i actually feel is in the top-tier category when healthy - but he surely also rank in the bottom-tier when considering the health!
... IF he can stay healthy he is as good as AP imo, but it seems that he is not nearly as durable as a 3 down NFL back needs to be! Hopefully he will show some progress with the new strenght programme, but it is still a questionmark going into the season!
Good offense with great potential and future stars, but they are not there yet!
Will help a whole lot to get the Defense shored up though - will make the grind and pound concept a little bit easier when not having to catch up or fear for another prevent defensive catastrophe when ahead.
@Spartacus they wont spend money on a receiver in FA... dream on Spart. they will go defense if they spend big bux after they get money off the books from cutting/restructuring players ... and even that's a stretch in itself. DHB will be a good receiver... he has proved us all wrong, and he will continue to. he may not be a consistent pass catcher over his shoulders, but you can bet your ass he makes some hard catches in traffic... which takes a lot of concentration. so even if the man doesn't ever learn to catch with his hands, he'll still be productive with a QB like Palmer throwing to him.
@massillonraider DHB has come on stronger than I thought he would be he's just not a natural receiver. He still has a tendency to catch most every pass with his body instead of plucking it out of the air with his hands. DHB is also not good down the field at tracking and adjusting to deep balls and he isn't good at winning 1-1 matchups which means the Raiders can't just throw jump balls to him. All that means he isn't #1 material. While he came on during last season, which is good, he looked like the 4th best WR in camp.
@Kikmor Amen! If Darren McFadden could only stay healthy for a whole year... Hey, dreaming is for free right? I mean, it has never happen and it may never happen, but oh! If only it could happen...
DHB's only problem might be his price, if he's really to earn 8 million plus this year and if he weren't willing to restructure, he might be out in the next few days. But I agree, you can question his talent but never his work ethics.
@Harder2000 @Black_Nightmare Just to clarify, I'm not trying to compare these Raiders to the 2000's Colts by saying they'll be that good. My comparison is that an offense can really be good if it has an above average player at these positions and I think the Raiders do. No one can make the argument that Palmer will be as good as Manning in the 2000's and I'm certainly not trying to.
@AsherMathews @massillonraider but he doesn't drop a whole lot of balls anymore now does he? that's why i will admit 100% that i was wrong about the man. it's very hard to critic his abilities ... because he basically had 1000 yard season if it weren't for Hue benching the man when he KNEW he shouldn't have. DHBEAST puts in work... something McWhiff and JaBackFat never did or has done as of yet! they are all 3 the same in that they are all very raw talents... but only one decides to work hard on his craft... while the other two are bottom feeders that will be a distant memory in the near future.
Let us hope that Pryor is ready when Palmer does take his leave... which will probably be in 3 or 4 more seasons... and by this time DMC will be a 16 gamer a year back... that's the only way i foresee the Raiders being contenders in the upcoming future... along with landing late round gems in the upcoming and consistent top level picks in the 2013 draft.
@Black_Nightmare DHB's price, 8 million? Don't know where you heard that but he's price isn't anywhere in that neighborhood. He's only gonna make like 2.5 million for the next two seasons, which also happens to be the last two years of his rookie contract.
I have seen a couple of people mention the Cards... could be a good option actually for them. Wayne will follow Manning for peanuts. Fitz, Wayne and Manning with Beanie as RB. Interesting! Then tie in, maybe a cheap Colston, who would love to play with Manning. That would be some team!
@ukraider78 I'm not disliking Palmer at all - i believe that he can potentially be a very good QB for us given the time, an offseason and being back in playing shape! And i think he has what it takes to win games when needed!
... This was just an observation based on the fact that we might be playing Manning twice a year, which in my view at least, would render us the divisions third best QB (and no, naturally TimBo is not better than Palmer)!
That said, i am firmly behind Palmer, and if he agrees to restructure to show that he is a teamplayer, i think he could have 3 very good years for us, hopefully leading to the promised land!
I think Cardinals might be a real option - Kolb is expensive and he sucks, but gathering Manning, Fitz, Reggie Wayne, Garcon and Clarks could make it clap! They have the cap to bring in a legit team to support Manning and pay him a great bit as well! Wouldn't be surprised to see this as a landing spot!
Denver (read: Elway) could be interested as well, and Fox would not mind having a QB like Manning to lead the team! They have the cap space as well!
@Harder2000 @nilbymouth I think there is a good chance he will go there. They have the cash and a great young side. A lot of people are thinking Miami but KC have more cash. Certainly make the AFC West very interesting. Manning, Rivers, Palmer all in division.... and of course Teebow will still get the most press coverage...
@Harder2000 @nilbymouth Of course you would rather have Manning.. that is pretty obvious. That is like saying you'd rather have Megatron than DHB. The thing we have Palmer, who is a very very good QB. maybe the best QB we have had for over 2 decades. He is certainly comparable to Gannon.
Don't dislike the player because with the situation as it was last year when we would have been left with Boller as our starter and nowhere near ready Pryor as hs #2.. The Raiders, HJ & Davis offered up the picks & Bengals accepted them.This isn't Palmers fault.
I think it is time we started getting behind Palmer and supporting him. Not wanting a player in place of him who quite frankly, we could never afford anyway.
@nilbymouth Me too! If he is back without any real damage from the surgery, then he is definately on of the best! His way of preparing, working and knowing defenses while making changes on the go is incredible! ... Keeping the fingers crossed that we won't have to face him twice a year for the next 2-3 years!
he has definitely improved no doubt but he still has a long way to go, especially as a roue runner. i'll tell you his 3 routes, 1. fake deep and run the out pattern, 2. go deep in a straight line, or 3. we run a play action and he runs the drag route across the middle and is the option when nobody else in the universe is open. a vet needs to come in and help the kid, cause he has the desire to learn (not vet like housh, thanks hue).
@Spartacus @Black_Nightmare @JarrodRollins @AsherMathews Wanted to clarify the $8mill number as well. That particular number is what CSN reported he would count against the cap, not what he's making this year. Much of that is the signing bonus from his contract, prorated through the years of his contract. I have not been able to confirm all numbers but near as I can tell, he's going to get paid about 2.1 Mill this season with the rest of that $8 Mil number part of the guaranteed money.
@Spartacus Think the same. I also think we could get Marques Colston for a not so big price and he is a beast in the slot. But either V-Jax or Colston wouldn't be cheap, this team needs to be sure we can pay them before getting any of them.
@Black_Nightmare @JarrodRollins @AsherMathews If DHB is indeed going to make 8 million this year, then without question, the Raiders have to restructure down that contract. As good as DHB has become on short pass plays, his inconsistencies with catches above his shoulders makes him a liability for that kind of money being paid out to him. If I am going to pay a receiver 8 million per year, his name would be Vincent Jackson, a guy who (we) all know is an absolute stud, and can catch the ball with the near magnificence of Megatron, aka Calivin Johnson...
@JarrodRollins actually, I got it just from this site. I was also expecting him to earn about 2 million but turns out it was a waaaay bigger nubmer. That would be one of the reasons every one expected Oakland to be 10 million dollar above the salary cap instead of 20 million.
I like DHB, i really do, but he's not worthy of an 8 million salary.
Here is the article by @AsherMathews where all the numbers are put together: http://tfdssports.com/2012-articles/february/raiders-over-cap.html