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The Raiders went into 2012 free agency with almost no bodies at CB position and came out with a number of players that will be able to vie for the starting CB spots.
The CB position will be one of the, if not the, most changed positions from last season. There are only 3 players that are returning from last year: 2nd year players Chimdi Chekwa and DeMarcus Van Dyke and RFA Bryann McCann who was tendered as a restricted free agent.
Joining those players are 3 veteran CBs, all of whom signed 1 year deals: Ronald Bartell, Shawntae Spencer and Pat Lee.
Both Bartell and Spencer have been previously discussed on this site.
Pat Lee is very much in the same mold as Spencer and Bartell. All are tall CBs with good builds (Pat Lee is 6'0", 196 lbs). All three were 2nd round picks.
Bartell and Spencer have both been starters in the league. Lee has never started a game and would be unlikely to compete for a starting position right away but he has good measureables and if he can compete to be a nickel or dime back, that is a good start.
All said and done, the CB position is now one of the deepest on the team. There are 7 CBs that are on the roster plus a practice squad player in Terrail Lambert.
That's a plus because the Raiders can now focus on other positions in the draft.
One of the positions most likely to be focused upon by GM Reggie McKenzie is LB. He's referenced the need already, himself.
If all the linebackers on the roster are healthy right now, the Raiders have enough for a starting lineup, only. They have absolutely no depth unless practice squad Carl Ihenacho is activated to the regular roster.
At this time, if the Raiders do not sign some bodies before the daft in a month, the Raiders will need to heavily look at LB in the draft.
The Raiders currently have 2 draft picks and are expected to be awarded 2-3 additional compensatory picks later this week. Compensatory picks cannot be traded.
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Has anyone else seen the NFL Top 1000 players list that has been listed on Bleacherreport? Done by Matt Miller, the lastest has the Top 32 FS.
Huff made the list @ 28, but what is more suprising they have Matt Giordano listed as #12 and a potential top 10 FS in the league!! They also say that ProFootballFocus.com has Giordano among the best in the NFL at limiting completion percentage on passes thown his way.
Has Giordano been re-signed? Of note they have Branch has the #4 SS in the league, Janikowski #1 kicker, Lechler #3 punter (behind Scrifes and Andy Lee), Wiz #10 LG, Reece #5 FB and Veldheer #15 LT.
@nilbymouth thats bullshit scrifes should be behind lee and lechler
@nilbymouth no report, but Boyd appears on the team website
However, he is not a starter imo as he is too often stumbled by PA or double moves where he can't recover (as speed is not a strength of his), and he too often takes bad angles when trying to come up in run support!
I like him, like what he brings to the table, but i very much doubt that he will ever become a legit starting FS in the league!
Boyd is a camp body, nothing more i would think! ... But if he is in fact kept, it must mean that Tarver will find a way to use him that is way better than what Chuckie did last year!
instead of trading dmac why not give him a paycut the injuries alone should be enough to ask of him and he doesn't seem to be one of those big ego guys or too proud not to take a paycut. in fact tommy kelly and dhb should do the same none of these players beside dmac have deserved that kind of money
@raider lifer Well you're right, but it's really hard to see a player to take one for the team. Most of them think that if they already have some money guaranteed and if the team needs them enough to not cut them, they have no need to earn less. I kinda see their point
Linebacker definitely needs to be addressed in the draft, regardless of who the Raiders pick up in free agency. I imagine that this is a position that will be a selection strength of McKenzie in the draft, and there will definitely be some very solid players still available by the time the Raiders have their first pick...Who knows, with the way McKenzie has been releasing players, it would not surprise me at all if McKenzie makes a major trade to move up into the early 2nd or late 1st round. DMAC still comes to mind as a possibility....
@Spartacus Really? We just lost Bush, and you think we may consider trading McFadden as well? A lot of people on here seem to think that running backs are a dime a dozen. However, we had one of the best runnng back tandems in the leaague. To see that completely dismantled would be shocking to me.
@Jososi I do....And here's why....The Raiders allowed their most durable running back (Michael Bush) to leave without even attempting to resign him. McFadden, who is perhaps our most fragile running back, has not proven he can play an entire season without injury. As awesome a player as McFadden is, the reality concerning him, is that his injury issues are a liability to the team. That said, there is a running back named Taiwon Jones, who has the talent of a McFadden, and who many believe could be a premiere running back in this league if given the opportunity. McFadden easily has late first round trade value, and if McKenzie truely wants to build this team up from the draft, like all his moves are indicating, trading McFadden almost makes perfect sense.....
@Black_Nightmare @Jososi The main thing with D-Mac is that when healthy he is a clear difference maker and one of the top playmakers in the league! - No team should part way with a player like that unless they have no option because of capspace, are forefeiting the coming season because of a rebuilding phaze og that they are able to run away with a kings ransom!
We have the cap for him and we will not be able to get a kings ransom for him! Imo he is worth a whole lot more than Palmer seeing as he might even have more years left in him, but RBs are just not valued that highly and we would probably get nothing more than a 2nd rd pick for him because of his injury history!
Then that leaves the rebuilding phaze (which we are in) - but if we were to throw in the towel, then several old players should be traded or cut as well, as they are too expensive considering a rebuilding team not made up to win now!
However, it seems Reggie and Allen will try to compete best as they can, trying to keep the players they think can compete and help us win, and in that case it makes no sense to part ways with a player that quite possibly is our best player, unless we are rewarded for it and paid a premium (which we won't be) imo!
But it is definately true that many RBs with a lot less talent than D-Mac has succeeded in the ZBS before, as it puts your backs in an easy read position which if executed correctly will lead to many yards!
That was also they key sentiment to stay away from resigning Bush, as a cheaper backup can be had that SHOULD be able to execute on a level that is at least acceptable (we will see if it holds true, because a failing ZBS is course for a lot of zero gain runs)..
@Jososi Yeah, we're not actually gonna get something valuable from anyone for DMac, so we might as well keep him and try to get something from him on the field.
But even if we ever traded him out, a West Coast Offense with a Zone Blocking Scheme doesn't need a great running back to be succesful. We already had an offense like that back in 2002 and Charlie Garner was no Barry Sanders. I'm not saying we should trade McFadden, just saying it wouldn't be a tragedy.
@Black_Nightmare If that is the case, that they think they can get this in shape to make a serious run the next year, I will be a little happier with what is going on.
However, to let Bush go and trade McFadden sounds to me like burn the house down kind of moves.
Keep McFadden, pick up a LB in the draft that you hope you can develop into something. Then at the end of the year evaluate whether McFadden is worth keeping around or if the injury issue is too mcuh. Also evaluate if Jones can be his replacement. Next year we can look for a solid LB and/or RB or both.
It sounds like we are looking to use this year to put us in better positon for the following year anyway. But if we do not want to completiely burn the house down, and want something of a competative team out there, we need a proven running back. McFadden is the best we have, while he is healthy anyway.
@Jososi I was on that mindset too. I thought we would trade Palmer for a couple of mid round picks, sign Flynn maybe and move on. But let's face it, we were nowhere near to make this a "burn the house" kind of year. We had no cap room to do that, we had no draft picks so doing the complete make over this season was near to impossible.
Now, the other big thing about this is that this team is not that far from being a good competitive team. I think next season with a lot more of cap room and an almost complete stable of draftpicks we will be able to fight head to head for the AFC. You don't need to let go all of the guys. You just needed to cut some economic tumors like Stanford Routt and Kam Wimbley and try to find some cheap talent this year. Next year, we will be relly close to get that team we are all expecting to see.
I could have seen this reasoning before we let Bush go. But now that he is gone, I don't think it wise. First, as some have pointed out, he may not bring all that much value do to his injury issues. As for Jones, if he was all that, why did we not see much of him last year? He may be something special at some point, but right now we just don't know for sure. At least we know what McFadden can do when he is healthy. I think it better to have a solid backup and get what you can out of McFadden on the field. Like I said, we had one of the best running back tandems in the lague last year. To get rid of it entirley with out something solid to replace it seems to be reckless. Unless you know for sure you can get adequate trade value for him, and you are concluding that this is in fact a complete rebuilding year (which seems to be where McKenzies mind set is), then I would say keep him. If we are ready to part with McFadden, why not try trading Palmer too? Really, if this is a complete burn the place down and rebuild effort, what good is he. Yes, I feel very good with him as a qaurterback. But lets face it, if we are in a 3 to 4 year rebuilding mode, he is not going to do us much good. His value is in believing tha the is the quarterback that can help us win now. If we are not looking to win now, then trading for him was a seiously bad move.
@Spartacus @Jososi I can see your point. I think DMC could be the best "merchandise" we could try to trade since he is that talented. I don't know however if anybody would give as much as a second rounder for a veteran, injury-plagued, expensive Running Back. We could very well get a late second rounder because I think of Pittsburgh is desperate for a RB, but I don't think we could move much more into the top picks.