Those Raiders fans who were interested in the Raiders making some moves in day two of the 2012 free agency market came away disappointed.
The Raiders continue to wait patiently while the market falls and their money can stretch farther.
Even while waiting the team was still making moves, however. Today the team released two more players - G Cooper Carlisle and DT John Henderson.
Carlisle is 34 and been with the Raiders since 2007 and has started for the team ever since, missing only one game in that time. He specialized in the zone blocking scheme but has been able to survive in the power blocking scheme that Hue Jackson brought with him. He was due $3.3 million this season and his release saves the Raiders $2.1 million against the cap.
Henderson is 33 and has been with the Raiders since 2010. He was the 9th overall pick in the 2002 draft. He came to the Raiders after being release by the Jacksonville Jaguars and had been a backup DT to rotate in for depth but had issues with injuries throughout the season. His release had been speculated most of the offseason. The Raiders announced that he failed a physical which was why he was released. He was due $4 million this season and according to Paul Gutierrez of CSN he had a cap number of $4.75 million.
The two cuts put the Raiders almost $10 million under the cap.
There were reports today that the Raiders were also going to look at former Texans RG Mike Brisiel. Brisiel is 29 and has started 47 of 50 games he's played in for the Texans. He's 6'5", 300 lbs. Raiders OC Gregg Knapp was the Texans QB coach last season and Raiders OL coach Frank Pollack served as an assistant OL coach in Houston as well so both are assuredly familiar with Brisiel.
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Last season, the Eagles grabbed all the FA headlines, while the Giants sat on their hands.
RMcK was brought in by Mark Davis, on the recommendation of John Madden, to do a job.
Let him do it. He inherited a payroll that was a mess (charitable) or a disgrace (realistic) - where performance bore no resemblance to pay.
I am not liking what I am seeing. We are definately without Boss,Campbell, Routt and Johnson, Carlisle, Henderson, Satele and most likey losing Cartwright, Schillens, Scott, Wimbley and Bush. I am sure I missed a few as well. Many of these we proabably should get rid of, some of them we shouldn't, and some are a toss up.
But who are we getting to replace them? Maybe Brisiel at RG and maybe Bartell at Corner. It seems like we are shedding a lot of talent, and are not making many moves to replace them in free agency. We dont' seem to have much as far as the draft goes. I really do not see how this team is being improved.
I did not think we were all that far off last year. Starting from scratch and tryng to do another rebuilding over 3 or 4 years is not somethng I have much stomach for. Please McKenzie, do something!!!!
@Jososi Yup, I don't think McK is doing much at all in terms of free agency. He should have been ready to go when the whistle blew. Instead, it seems like he is simply lolly-gagging, thinking that we have all the time in the world.
We don't have very many draft pick, even after the comp picks are awarded. McK should have been ready before free agency started so that he can get a move on some of the players that are now gone. i really do not want just a bunch of castoffs and bottom feeder players, which seems to be what we are going after outside of Porter and Brisiel, who are mid-tier players.
@nilbymouth Free Agency just keeps getting better and better. Carlisle, Kawhiff and now Scott. No great loss any of them.
I agree about Kawiff. Good riddence! But I disagree about Scott. I think he has great potential as a pass rush specialist rotationial player and would not be surprised at all to see the Patriots get the best out of him.
As for Carlisle, was never a huge fan but he was an adequate starter who I think took too much of the blame for the OL woes. Playing next to Satele and Kawhiff has to make anyones job a lot harder! Even just having Wiz next to him at Center those few times, he stood out more. With a quality Center and Right Tackle either side of him he is good enough to hold is own and still be a serviceable starter.
@JarrodRollins @Black_Nightmare @nilbymouth Yep. Meaning no TE coverage for Curry, so let him loose.
@Black_Nightmare @nilbymouth Like the thought of Curry at ILB also. But as a WLB he wouldn't cover a TE so would have license to blitz from the outside. Most offences line up with the TE on the right or take them out for multiple receiver formations on passing downs. If the TE was to line up the left the WLB and SLB would swap sides so the WLB would still line up opposite the TE. If we do go to a 3-4, bringing an extra pass rusher is a must and speed from the weakside is always a big play in the making for most right handed QB's. I agree with the coverage bit tho'. Either blitz him or take him out.
@nilbymouth If he doesn't react to this, and he didn't react to the kind and tender love of Chuckie, then he is not worth anything and should be thrown out with the trash (which means he likely won't even make it out of camp)!
The thing for me is that he has immense potential, but his value is low due to his bonehead moves and his sub-par play in a wrong scheme - so IF he can be straightened out we could win big, while a trade (if anyone will have him) will give us almost nothing (and low draft picks seldom suceeds)..
I'd keep him and try to see if a new regime, new scheme and new style can make him be what he can be - if not, then it is another waisted talent!
This is true. I just not sure how he will react to having such a disciplined coach and if he doesn't improve this year his value will be evn lower at the end of the season!
@nilbymouth Death Ro is immature (the youngest member of the team), and he needs to step up, this is his last chance to prove that he belongs! But i think that Allen/Tarver could be what is needed, and if another strong willed vet is brought in (why i like the "other" McClain as well - great team spirit at Baltimore), he might "get it" and fulfill the great potential he has! I think he can be very good if he is used correctly (in a 3-4) and is put in his place! Talented kid!
Besides, don't think his value is worth much right now as it is.. Especially not with the court date coming up! #smh
@Harder2000 I agree, I think that would be his best fit
@Black_Nightmare To me he seems like a great fit at 3-4 ILB ; let loose and hit something that's coming at you son!
@DevonRaiderUK @nilbymouth I like Scott, and for all I know he hasn't signed with the Pats yet. Now about Curry, It's a dificult question. He's never been in a 3-4 base defense (as it would be reasonable to assume Raider's D will be next year) before. He's outstanding stuffing the run but he has some big issues with coverage. As an OLB he would be blitzing a lot, but he would aslo have to be covering TE a lot. As an ILB he would have less coverage responsabilities since the other ILB should fulfill that role, so I think he might be better as an ILB.
@nilbymouth I dont see any reason why Curry couldn't come off the weak side edge. He's got better hustle and is a far more physical player than Scott will ever be. I know he's not known as a pass rusher but with a new set of ideas from the coaching staff, why not?
@nilbymouth Yeah, he's a really underrated player. He just never could get used to be a DE. He was a natural OLB so he never played to his full potential here.
The type of guys I expect to be signed this off season are going to be the cheap, solid, underappreciated guys that generally go unnoticed because they are not flashy. Guys that will be giving it everything they have working their arses off every practice and game because they love this game of football so much. Guys that are not going to be giving up and playing with half arsed efforts like we saw from 95% of our defense last year. This is the way I see this team being built right now. Guys like Rock Cartwright.
@nilbymouth Yeah, don't expect many stars on this team for next season. If any, a solid group of team players who will give it all on the field
If we make any "big name" signing in Free Agency I think it will be Tracy Porter. Everyone else signed will be solid contributors that I think many people will not have heard a lot about.
@nilbymouth @Black_Nightmare I think you're right, and that imo is a great direction! Just don't get why Carthwright is moving on after he told everybody he wanted to be back! Only a ST guy, but what a locker room guy!! Winning the excellence award two years in a row as a journeyman is a great achievement! Really like him!
Damn it!!! Rock Cartwright going to the niners stings. He was no bright or spectacular but he is a team player and a real hard worker and I'm gonna miss him a lot.
Yes that definitely stings. I was hoping he would be retained. Oh well I expect McKenzie to find a few other hardworker players like Cartwright who will come in and do the job.
I hated to see Jarrett go to the Dunder Dolts of San Diego. I wanted us to sign him. Oh well. Brisiel would be a good pick up, and I think Wisenewski is going to be our center. Winston would be a good O-Line pick up, and I have heard that Robert Gallery may have an interest in coming back to Oakland.
We need help, but we also need cap room. Just shy of $10 million under the cap is not a lot of wiggle room. I think we do cut Wimbley who has not been willing to take a pay cut, but will be able to use that money to compensate some talent. We will see.
@Raider Nate 75 I hope we keep the Wiz Kid as guard. He really excelled playing there.
I hope not. He followed Cable to the Seahawks for the money (which I don't blame him) and he has been cut because he is worn out. He will be signed by someone, but I highly doubt it will be for much more than the veterans mininum as a backup somewhere. Hopefully not us!
Has Eric Winston signed with anyone yet? I have not heard anything on Scott Wells or Chris Myers yet.
As far as I am aware all three have not yet signed anywhere. Myers and Winsaton have had a lot of interested though. Wells I have not heard a peep about.
@nilbymouth @JarrodRollins @Black_Nightmare With Titans signing Hutchinson G (a friend of Manning) while also offering Manning a management role within the organization, they figures to be looking for an intelligent C to step in and help as well - Myers might be that guy! He and Manning could be a great fit for eachother imo, and would help the Titans lure Manning in!
@JarrodRollins Chris Meyers was going to visit Tennessee, but he hasn't signed. I think he's gonna get payed somewhere else though. Wells is a much more realistic option
damn we still need a center and i hope one of the young te's can step up if we can't get a replacement for boss or bring him back for cheap. it just sucks because we have all these underserving players making too much and cant afford to add even with all the players that have been cut.
@raider lifer Well... No one has shown ANY INTEREST for Satele so far... it means he could be brought back at a lower price.
@nilbymouth Yes, he has been underrated. He would be a very good back up and not a bad starter. I hope we can get someone better, but he's not a bad option.
I agree. Satele is serviceable for another season if he comes back cheap enough until we can replace him next off season. At very least he is a decent back-up.
@JarrodRollins @raider lifer He's not great, but we've seen worse players to play center for our team. I'm not sayin he's the best option, but he's a good fit in a ZBS and his play was decent last year. I'd love to see Scott Wells with us instead, but seriously, Samson Satele isn't the worst that could happen.
Let's pray we sign Brisiel. McKenzie needs to stop the releasing of all these players and start signing. Enough is enough. We need to field a competitive team this year and the way McKenzie is operating, the Raiders seem to be gearing up for next years draft versus making a concerted effort to make the playoffs....
The cuttings are needed. It's not McKenzie's fault we were so far over the cap with these shockingly bad contracts. This year and possibly next we will be rebuilding while overhauling the roster. I wouldn't expect a lot from this season.
@nilbymouth @Spartacus I agree, cuts were totally necessary. We are under reconstruction but it's not like this team will be 5 years rebuilding. This is a bad year though, virtually no draft picks and hell of a hard salary cap situation. It was gonna be a nightmare to try to make a contender this year.
Who knows really with these "Contracts" especially when it involves the Raiders!
@nilbymouth Really? I thought that Big Sey had this and next, while Palmer had 3 (both not counting the fake optional years put on while restructuring), and the restructure had been paid as a bonus (making it ALL guaranteed), why they can no longer be restructured or cut without suffering the cap hit that has already been imposed through the bonuses?
But that is good news then, albeit it is still kind of a waste in that case seeing the salary is huge!
@nilbymouth @Black_Nightmare @Spartacus The one good thing this year at least, is that guys will get the chance to step up and show they're worth a spot! Still, Palmer and Big Sey is definately not getting younger, so this rebuilding phase cannot go on for too long if they are to be a part of the future (well ok, Palmer is not THAT old for a QB, but still he isn't getting younger and is a win-now QB)..
Exactly! McKenzie came into a very dire time with this team. Salary Cap was blown out with some quite frankly stupid contracts. Throw in that we have next to no draft picks (higher round ones anyway) and the mess McKenzie came into is a shocker. I don't expect much this year and maybe next year while this roster is overhauled but after this I expect McKenzie to bring this team back to it's glory days of being a consistant playoff team challenging for the Super Bowl.
@Black_Nightmare @nilbymouth @Spartacus In regards to Richard Marshall, they could have signed him to a deal with a small base salary, the minimum to like 1M, with a decent signing bonus and he would not have counted that much against the cap. Don't know why everyone says he would have taken up almost half of our cap space to sign.
I'm not a big fan of Richard Marshall and I wouldn't have him for anything but a nickelback. Anyway, that's just my opinion, but even if you think he could be a legit starter an de actually worths 4 million a year, paying 40% of all you have to spend on a CB who's not amongst the best in the league, it's too much of a bet to me.
We are only $10 mil under the cap currently. If we had just matched his offer from the Dolphins that is 40% of our free cap money gone! I liked Marshall too, but he is not worth $4 mil a year.
And seriously not making these cuts earlier?! This isn't Madden. McKenzie was probably working on trying to get some of these others to re-negoiate, had no luck so cut them.