Saints Punishment, Raiders fallout
Most of you will already be aware of the historic punishment that Commissioner Roger Goodell handed to the New Orleans Saints in response to the unfolding bounty scandal that has been the talk of the football world.
If you're not aware of it, you can read more here.
The point to take away for Raiders fans is that head coach Dennis Allen appears to have escaped from punishment. He was the secondary coach for the Saints during the 2009 season. It appears that all administrative roles that are to be punished have received their punishment.
In addition, the Saints 2nd round pick for this year has been removed. If the Raiders get the top Comensatory pick - the first at the end of the 3rd round - it just got one position better with the loss of that 2nd round selection.
Another addition at CB
The Raiders continued to gather former 2nd round defensive backs that have fallen on hard times, coming to terms with former Green Bay cornerback Pat Lee today.
Lee is similar to recently signed CBs Ronald Bartell and Shawntae Spencer in body type. He is 6’0”, 196 lbs, which is w/in an inch of each of the other players and within 10 lbs of the others as well. His resume is much less impressive however.
Where both Bartell and Spencer have starting experience and have flashed the ability that made them 2nd round picks, Lee has barely seen the field and has never started a game. He's made 19 tackles and has 0 interceptions in his 4 years in the league.
He is expected to compete for a position in sub packages, but probably not for a starting position.
Raiders interested in Tollefson, Lawson
The team is reportedly interested in looking at free agent DE Dave Tollefson. Tollefson, most recently a Giant, was drafted by Green Bay in the 7th round in 2006 but never played a game for them. He's 6'4 and 266 lbs.
He was used in rotation with the Giants, playing in every game last season but only starting in two. The Giants play a 4-3 base defense which is likely the base defense the Raiders will use this season, based upon their personnel.
The Raders are reportedly also interested in hosting LB Manny Lawson. Lawson was drafted by San Francisco in 2006 with the 22nd pick in the 1st round but he never lived up to his 1st round hype, there and he left to Cincinnati after 5 years with the 9ers. He played defensive end in college but has made a transition to LB in the NFL.
He has extensive starting experience having started 72 of 80 career games.
Another familiar face
The Raiders resigned OT Khalif Barnes today. He was an unrestricted free agent. He started all 16 games for the Raiders at RT last season. The signing gives the Raiders options in training camp for the structure of the offensive line.
Barnes may be given a look at RT but he'll face competition from Joseph Barksdale and, possibly, Bruce Campbell.
Barnes gives the Raiders a good fall back option in case no other player steps up but he's probably best in a backup role, especially if the team is serious about reducing penalties. If Barnes wins back the starting position, Raiders fans can look forward to another false-start-plagued season.
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I hate to say this, but I would like to the Raiders act a little more like the Bronco's. They want the SuperBowl so bad they just sacrificed a virgin for it.
We lost Bush for a measly $14 mil. to a team where he has virtually no chance of starting. That says a lot about what's going on inside the Raiders. Bush wanted to start - he was getting plenty of carries already - but he wanted to START and get paid like a starter. He just signed with a team where he will be guaranteed LESS action and not very much money. What does that say about the mood inside the Raider organization? It tells me the players themselves are starting to question team management. It's not easy to uproot your life after 4 years and move to another part of the country only to be guaranteed LESS than what you already have. Perhaps Bush (Wimbley, etc...) see the same thing I'm seeing... we're losing a LOT of talent and replacing it mostly with dogshit. Last year we were dead even with Denver and San Diego and only one game ahead of KC. Denver signed Peyton. KC has been very active signing starter-quality players. We're supposed to believe we're getting BETTER by trading off starters (good, bad or indifferent - they were still starting) for cast-offs... second stringers, problem players and guys who never panned out - from other teams? Sure we'll find a couple diamonds in the rough and maybe McKenzie and Allen know a few secrets from being around those players. But one thing I've learned after all this time watching the NFL is that usually - when a team gives up on a player - they do so for a good reason. Right now - we are headed in the wrong direction. We don't have any draft picks and all the good talent is being snapped up - it's becoming clear to me that McKenzie and Allen are already looking past next season. That's giving them the benefit of the doubt - because the other option is they have no freaking clue what they're doing.
As always... jmho.
NTs Franklin and Garay are still on the market.
LBs Lofton, Lawson, the Hendersons, Barrett Ruud, and Rocky McIntosh are still available. Larry Grant is a RFA. He'd cost a seventh round pick to sign.
Tracy Porter is the only notable CB left in free agency, imo.
Yeremiah Bell and Melvin Bullitt are decent safeties left.
There really is not that much left and we better get a move on to fill a few more holes that he have, on defense in particular.
There are still some decent free agents out there.
Why did we re-sign Barnes over getting like Demetrius Bell, Vernan Carey, or re-signing Heyer? Man, and Barnes re-signed to a one-year, 2M deal?
What on Earth is needed to get rid of Khalif Barnes? I mean, yes, Stanford Routt made us see so many flags that I thought we were at the UN, but he did some good plays last year and he got kicked out. Im not complaining about Routt's release, but come on! Barnes had tons of false start and holding penalties and he wasn't even making good plays the rest of the time! And he's back!!!!!
His contract was up, we owed him nothing and there were actaully some quite good free agents out there. Didn't like those free agents or you thought they would be too expensive? No biggie, we still have Barksdale and we could have drafted a guy for depth... Then why??? Why should Ka-Whiff come back??? Was Reggie high when he made the decision? Something like "Hey Beavis, you know what'd be totally screwed? Imagine if we re-signed Barnes... We should do it ha ha ha"??? He had to be cause seriously, I see no other reason to have Barnes back.
i am glad the raiders don't have to see Tebow anymore... call it denial that we have manning twice a year, but i'm not too afraid of the guy to tell you the truth. that running game will not be there, and he will be forced to pass a lot. still haven't seen him take a hit, that's where my first judgement will be.
And Tebow is a JET! Raiders big problem no one talking about is pass rush..take wimbleys 9 sacks out and sack #'s are poor, shaughnessy will be doubled this year so whether its DL or LB, WE NEED ANOTHER PASS RUSHER BADLY! That will be Mck first draft pick ....and I do hope they sigh Tollefson, but he is not the answer! And like Lawson too, but we need a stud passrusher to replace wimbley..agreed? And yes get Leinart & bush back, a few more Lb's and a Nt and maybe even a nothe CB like Porter..not too much to ask for is it?
@Jososi To be true, I'd sacrifce that virgin in order to get some fried chips... What am I saying? I would sacrifice Tebow for free!!!!!
@Indy! I feel your pain Indy...I am a big Michael Bush fan as well, and think the Raiders made a huge mistake letting him go. I still think that with his durability, great hands, and unquestioned toughness, that he was an important key to our offense, especially considering DMAC cannot stay healthy. What an incredible weapon Michael Bush would have been in our new West Coast offense....Obviously, McKenzie didn't see it that way...As far as McKenzie is concerned, he has made a lot of moves that I am not happy with. Hopefully, though, he proves me wrong and the Raiders can compete next year for a division title. However, my gut feeling is that he is throwing the towel in for this season and is going to try to build on next years draft. We will see, but this is definitely not what I envisioned for this offseason...
plus why are you dissing the signings the raiders are making by calling them dogshit and calling the KC and Denver signings great.. if those players they signed were so great dont you think their orignal team would pay to retain them? some people....
you gorgot to mention he was paid 8 million guaranteed.. idk about you but i think thats a shitloaddd of moeny.. plus bush know that forte might hold out amking him the starter.. i know this is america and freedom of speech and all but you sound like you dont know ish my friend
@JarrodRollins Franklin might be a big risk since we have no idea of the suspension he could face for the bounty program. Otherwise he would be a great fit. About Garay I'm not sold on him. He's had a couple of good seasons with the bolts, but I don't know if he's the real deal.
did i read anywhere that 2 million contract was guarenteed??? no i didnt so chill out its probably not even close to being worth 2 million unless he starts all 16 games or makes a pro bowl so chill.. are you kidding about carey? that guy would be a horrilbe fit for the zone-blocking scheme.. why cant you trust managemen?t do you think they just just signed Barnes just to mess with us fans?? no they must have watched plenty of film of him and decided he was worth keeping on the team for pennies
@JarrodRollins Wylie is an explosive playmaker, hope he will make an impact! ... But i don't see it being with us! He is too much like Ford and Moore (and TJ for that matter if used as a gimmick player), if anything we will go for a big bodied WR imo!
Greg Childs come to mind (6'3" , 220 lbs, 4.39 40-yard) - has immense potential but has been hindered by an injury which he is just returning to form from! He has it all and seems to be a potential steal if he can stay out of off field issues!
Tommy Streeter is another possible WR at 6'5" and great speed to go with it, but Childs is clearly the best overall WR of the two!
@Black_Nightmare Brisiel is known for being flagged often as well - hopefully he will commit less than he use to, while KaWhiff will hopefully NOT see the field!
If they both start (terrible thought with KaWhiff) and don't improve we will see some serious flags thrown at us!
@DARKKUSH Yeah, I was in denial when SF showed up and I really thought he would go to the niners and probably make them look like monsters. When he indeed signed with Denvener went quickly to anger and finally to fear. I think Dr Freud would be proud of me going trough all this stages in less than a week, but that doesn't actually makes it much better.
Those damned Denver Donkeys might actually suck, Manning's health is a big issue, McGahee won't have another big year, mostly cause when Peyton comes the running game disapears and their defense isn't nearly good even after Denis Allen, so they might suck next year even with Peyton playing his best. .
Yes, we could actually go and win the division and everything... but somehow, not facing a glorified fullback with some serious delusions of being the new messiah running an option offense, just to face Peyton F. Maning twice a year instead makes me really uneasy.
why are guys obsessed with lawson and leinert?? these guys are first round busts that have travelled from team to team. they both have no upside.. whats is this? the al davis era still????????
@dondiraider hard to imagine BigMac doing anything vital with his salary cap.. which is sad. i want to see Henderson and/or Lofton signed... but i'm sure it wont happen.
Would be a rather ironic indeed! Would also be a pretty even trade but I don't see it happening at all.
@DonaldJuanes A lot of really good players get cut to clear cap space or they don't get re-signed cuz the team can't afford to re-sign them. Ugh, some people........
@DonaldJuanes Dude - you're swimming in the shallow end. Watch another 20 years of football and then call me.
@DonaldJuanes @Indy! Look, Indy is normally a very reasonable guy. It's just he's also a huge fan of Mike Bush (trust me, we had a 30-something post long argument about him a couple of days ago) and he's angry to see him going.
Now, he might be right about the things he is seeing and perhaps he is also right about the players seeing it too. It's a very long shot though and I think so because Seymour and Palmer and Huff and Curry all restructured their contracts and if things were that bad inside the organization they would have holded out or just try to get the most money of the team or get cut and try free agency.
Let's also remember that Kam Wimbley had 6.5 million guaranteed from un and his best shot to make a lot of money (and money is what's all about in the end) was to take those 6.5 and sign with another team, since there was no way we were going to guarantee him 17 million over the nex two seasons.
About Bush, I don't thin he decided to go because we're losing talent. I don't think he decided to go period. I never read or heard about any kind of negotiations between Bush and the Raiders so I believe the team never made an offer to him. He did signed a ver big contract to be a backup with the Bears, and we weren't paying a big contract to the backup of an already big paid starting runningback. I'm glad he got some money since RB's aren't paid anymore, but this was the decision I'd have done about him if I were GM.
@Black_Nightmare The biggest thing about Garay is that he has only been a starter for the last few years. So, despite his age, he doesn't have that much wear on his tires.
@DonaldJuanes The point of the matter, 'dude', is that you don't sign a guy to be a back up for 2M, regardless of whether or not it is guaranteed.
Carey might not fit the ZBS, but I will take him over Barnes any day.
@DonaldJuanes @JarrodRollins Dude, I'm sorry but unlike my friend Jarrod I've been supporting every move this management has made. I've said to all "let's be patient, we can't judge the work they're doing if not even a game has been played". Either way, It doesn't make any sense for me to bring back Barnes. He was already a but when he came to Oakland and he kept a bust for the whole time he's been here. I think his brightest moments (lol, how sarcastic can I get) were playing as a TE back in 2010. And he wasn't nearle good as a blocking TE.
I've never been the biggest fan of Cooper Carlisle since he's anything but spectacular, but the man just do the job and that has a lot of merit. Barnes on the other side is a penalty machine and when he misses a block he misses great.
This guy is pretty good for what I just saw, and I don't se him messing with Ford and Moore. I think DHB will be our slot reciever so he would be fighting (and probably winning easy) vs Murphy. I like him but I have 3 concerns:
1. Will he fall long enough in the draft for us to pick him?
2. Would Greg Knapp play spread formations since he's known for a smash mouth run-heavy style? I think he would only show his skill if he gets enough time on the field, and he probably won't if they dont play spread formations.
3. Wouldn't we need a bigger reciever? I mean we do have Ausberry, but he's more like a TE and we have no big recievers to go in the middle and get those passes.
@DonaldJuanes Leinart would only be a back up and a decent one. i wouldn't start Leinart over Palmer, nuh-uh. Lawson, I think is pretty underrated. I think when he was drafted, he took on too much and just couldn't measure up the way everyone wanted him too.
@DonaldJuanes @dondiraider LEinart was pretty good in college and would be a nice backup. Lawson might not be a beast, but he's better than having nobody and we would seriously need some OLB. For what I've read, Jameel McClain is close to a deal with de Ravens so Lawson could very well be the best young LB available.
@nilbymouth I can hope, can't I? lol.
Bush'd be like, damn, I can't get out from behind DMac. lol
@JarrodRollins Yeah, that's true. I think he didn't start more than a few games back in Chicago because of injury though. I'm not sure his health would be that good.
@Harder2000 @JarrodRollins @Black_Nightmare Is a lot of a great thing really a bad thing? Also, D-Mo is 6', he is a bit bigger than Ford and Wylie. Both DHB and Murphy are 6'2. We do have three wide out that are 6 feet and over, but we are lacking that nice 6'4 WR that can catch anything over the top.....
@JarrodRollins @Black_Nightmare If he could be had in the late rounds, then yeah, who wouldn't want to add a playmaker to the roster who can return AND help out in the depth department! I wouldn't mind seeing him at all, just pointing out that a 5'9" guy with pretty good speed equals a lot of what we have, so even if he is a great returner, i think Reggie prioritize differently with all that lack of depth (starters?) we currently have!
1. He was projected for sixth round pre-combine. But port-combine, he could go as high as third round now, but hopefully he will still be a sixth round or UDFA. That is just selfish thinking on my part. lol
2. Houston didn't have too many wide outs to work with in Houston outside of Andre Johnson, who was injured for most of last season. They have an injury-prone Kevin Walter and that other guy, which is why they did a lot of two TE sets and threw to their TEs a lot. I think if they had the WRs to work with in the passing game, I can see them using a bit of three and four wide formations. He Knapp has the guys, they will play them.
3. We can get both a big WR and Wylie cuz as far as I know, we only have four WRs on our roster right now. Wylie would be a huge weapon as a punt returner, at the very least. But he does have very Welker-esque skills and moves. Most likely one or the other would have to be a UDFA though.
@dondiraider @Harder2000 @Black_Nightmare I agree with dondiraider on the signing of Barnes. This has to be a short term thing. As good as McKenzie (SUPPOSEDLY) is in regards to talent evaluation, Barnes cannot be a guy who he sees as a long term investment. Barnes is a penalty machine, and I think almost every Raider fan would agree that the team would be better off without him.
@Harder2000 With ya on this 100%
@dondiraider They need camp bodies, he knows the team, players and organization - he will be replaced by high potential young guys brought in through the draft (i hope)!