After much speculation in the media, the Raiders have fired Hue Jackson after just one season as the team's head coach. Jackson interviewed with new general manager Reggie McKenzie this week and apparently the interview did not go well.
Al Davis brought Jackson in as the offensive coordinator for the 2010 season. He was the coach-in-waiting for the Raiders, and after the team finished 8-8 that season, the Raiders fired then head coach Tom Cable and promoted Jackson to the position.
The Raiders had a disappointing season in 2011 that saw the team fall from the top of the AFC West to missing the playoffs with an 8-8 record. At times during the season, Jackson had issues with his game management but many people saw that as simply rookie mistakes. It appears now that he had too much on his plate after the passing of Al Davis.
Jackson assumed the role of interim general manager after Davis passed away. Shortly thereafter, he made the blockbuster trade that sent a first round pick and a conditional first round pick to Cincinnati in trade for quarterback Carson Palmer. The Raiders were in desperate need of a quarterback with the injury to Jason Campbell but the price was quite steep.
Following the trade, Jackson didn't prepare backup quarterback Kyle Boller properly to start against the Chiefs. Boller threw three interceptions in the first half due in part to Jackson's play calling and in part to his taking limited snaps during the week as Jackson attempted to keep the media guessing as to who would be starting the game.
After losing his first start with the Raiders, Palmer and the Raiders won three games in a row. But then things went bad as the Raiders would lose four of the last five games to miss the playoffs.
In the midst of this losing streak, Sports Illustrated put out an exclusive article about Jackson's routine of getting a manicure and pedicure prior to every game. That article included a photo spread of Jackson getting his mani-pedi that drew a considerable amount of criticism.
New GM Reggie McKenzie no doubt took all of these things into consideration and in the end made the decision to cut ties with Jackson. The press conference to officially announce the hiring of McKenzie will be occurring at 2pm this afternoon. At that point, more details should be brought to light.
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I was 50/50 on whether Id keep him on.
I liked the idea of continuity, but his rants at the end of the season gave me pause. A coach who throws his players under the bus like that is really pushing his luck.
My guess is that he just wanted too much power moving forward, and when you are a rookie HC, who lost 4 of the last 5 games of the season, missed the playoffs, broke NFL records for penalties and then publicly dissed his players - you really dont have a ton of bargaining power. I dont think HJ ever grasped that fact. He thought being "Al's guy" gave him a big bargaining chip. Another bad call, HJ.
Ultimately, I think the rapid rise from OC to HC to Acting GM was too fast for HJ to handle - it ruined him. It was already a leap for him to be a HC, and when Al died, he was just given too much to handle, too soon.
I think he can go somewhere else to be a very good OC. HC ? maybe, in the future .. but he has a lot of learning (and growing up) to do.
Next man up ...
I can understand why Jackson has been let go but it is a shame to see this team with another new HC. And at the end of the day with this new management coming in I would expect the new HC to be given a couple seasons to get this team up to scratch.
I have seen rumors that senior players approached Mark Davis about Jackson allowing the power to go to his head and it showed the way the players played to end the season. Throw in that Jackson made a lot of bad decisions throughout the season (both in play calling and not making obvious OL adjustments), and the fact that he had the choice to not fire Bresnahan when it was obvious the Defense was turning to custard. I think the last straw was when Jackson pretty much threw the team (players and coaches) under the bus and not taking enough of the responsibility himself.
I definitely do not agree with the decision to fire Hue Jackson....Tom Cable was given (3) years to prove his merit and the best he could do was guide the team to 8-8. Jackson did it after (1) year, and he is sent packing. This is wrong. Hue deserved at least one more year to see if he could turn this thing around....He had so much on his plate combining coaching and GM duties. Let's see what he can do when he is 100% focused on coaching this team....Yes, Hue did make some coaching errors, and he did take too many unwise gambles, but the fact remains, he brought an exciting offense to the field that went from predictable to explosive. Reggie McKenzie may have an eye for talent, but he just showed that he is a ruthless cut throat that threw a supposed friend under the bus for his own personal gain and ego. Hue Jackson deserved better, and so do we, the loyal Raider fans who yearn for some stability at the head coaching position....
I was hoping Hue would get another year, mostly becuase I am tired of the coaching changes. However, I think what doomed Hue was the power grab he made. After Al passed, there was a power vacuum that needed filling, and Hue stepped right in to fill it. It was not really his fault, because someone had to, but I think it made it impossible to carry forward with him as a result. How was Reggie going to get Hue to settle back down into his role as the HC, taking orders from this new GM?
Its too bad, but it is the way things worked out. As long as this starts a new process of stability going forward, it probabaly is what is best in the long run.
@Spartacus The fact that the power went to Hue Jackson's head and that player's were complaining that Hue Jackson was making himself bigger than the team, I believe is the main reason for Jackson's firing....
@JarrodRollins @Spartacus I have read Hue's interview and IMHO he had developed an attitude that made management/ownership uncomfortable. From the interview he alludes to a conversation with M. Davis in November. And frankly it sounds like he was pressing the wrong buttons. His comments regarding Al tying his hands certainly can't win points with a survivng son. Nope. Hue couldn't put it on the field when it mattered most and then let his inner Hue escape in a press conference. What we saw wasn't the incident that got him fired it was the hidden Hue that Mark and Reggie were seeing for 8 weeks prior. We just got a glimpse at the end. All the bluster (I believe) was just the soft part of the act. Hue says some of the "right" things in his interview but thens sounds like an ex-waife whose "moved on" in the same breath. Probably a good thing to let McKenzie start over. Too bad. I was a Hue supporter most of the way and I thought he'd be around for another go.
Something other than Jackson's performance had to cause this firing, because to me it just does not make any sense. A first year coach who goes 8-8 deserves a second chance. As much as Jackson struggled with certain decision making towards the end of the season, he did bring a lot of flare, and the offense was a lot more fun to watch (and effective) under his direction. If Hue was given the opportunity to just coach the team and not be involved in management decisions, I think he would have become a very effective coach for the Raiders...
@Spartacus@JarrodRollins It is my understanding that the main reason for HuJack being fired was that the power he had assumed after Al's passing went to his head and he wanted even more power despite the presence of a GM. It had gone as far as players and I think other coaches complaining to Mark Davis that HuJack was power-tripping and that it had all gone to his head, that Hue became bigger than the team.
hue was a very good oc, not head coach. i think with al passing hue thought he was gonna take over the team. mark and amy went with whatever he said with the intentions of letting him make his own bed. even after all that, the press conference waas the last straw. despite hue being right, as the head coach you CANNOT go out like that. he really threw a lot of guys on defense under the bus. they were just playing the D they were told to. that presser was classless and with reggie coming from a classy organization, he wasn't having it. and if hue wanted power in personnel decisions (with no resume to do it), reggie was getting rid of a headache that was waiting to happen. we have long wanted our raiders to gut some dead weight here (aka schillens and others), lokks like it will finally happen. one good thing, it doesn't take much to win the afc west, and the last 3 years every team has won the division, guess who's next ya? GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!
According Espn's John Clayton (who I actually trust), the reason why McKenzie let Hue go was over power. He apparently thought there would be problems over who gets the pick the players because that role is exclusive to the gm. However, I was on the boat for one more year. I do hope that we will keep Al Saunders at least. Hue installed our offense for 2 years so i really don't like the need to adjust again. It's unfortunate that we will probably have to say good bye to the reverse play. I really enjoyed how we incorporated that play. At this junction, I am surprised but it really depends on who we replace him with for HC and OC. I think Hue's biggest downfall was moderation. He liked to gamble but he gambled too much then mix in time management issues. Keep in mind though, John Clayton says the move wasn't seen as one based Hue's coaching scheme but rather the possibility of a power struggle on picking players. So at least thats food for thought. I look forward to our next move(s).
Unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable.
Why would you do this? Wasn't Jackson in on the decision to bring Reggie McK back to Oakland??? Cant they just give this guy 1 more year- it's his first year as a Head Coach and he's bound to make mistakes. At least he knew the problems that were in the team and he wasn't going to shy away from them. Give us some continuity please!!!!!!
Okay, let me throw this scenario at you RaiderNation. Carson Palmer was talked out of retirement by Hue Jackson. He was done as a Bengal and wanted no part of it. As far as he was concerned he was retired. Now, what if Palmer decides that he wants no part of the circus that is going on in Oakland. He does't want to play for the new HC, he wants to play for Jackson or nobody. He's financially sound, he can make that decision right this very minute. That situation just doesn't bear thinking about....
Crazy move, only in Oakland......
I hear what you are saying, but he made wayyyyy too many mistakes even for a rookie head coach. Way too many. And failed to deliver on even one of his promises. Then throws his team under the bus. Can't do that.
As for Palmer, if his motivation to play is that limited, I don't want him as qb. That's exactly what we dont need. We need players with heart and fire. I think he will be happy to play for the Raiders going forward, but if you are right, I don't want him.
@RaiderDoc 8 and 8 in his first year and your going to can him???? Put in any sort of a Defense and we have 2 more wins easy. The new guy better have a magic wand with him. While the Offense looks good the Defense is an absolute mess, with a lot more big salaries and names than there is talent. Does the new HC have to take us to the playoffs to avoid being a casualty in his first year?
"Hue lost his players and it started with the Campbell debacle. Calling Carson a 'real QB' when he first came in was not a good thing."
- Exactly my thinking! Campbell may not be the best skilled QB around, but the team relied around him as a leader (as the team had with Gradkowski previously) and to see the coach react the way he did was the beginning of the end for this team. From that point forward the team changed and it showed on the field. They started to loose their passion for playing under Jackson and it showed.
@DevonRaiderUK @RaiderDoc Devon, I would've like to have kept him but the more I read about Hue the more I think it was for the better of the team. Mckenzie stated it would not have mattered if we made the playoffs, he still wanted his own guy. It's not about the record (unless of course we won the SB, but if that happened Hue would stay in charge). Hue lost his players and it started with the Campbell debacle. Calling Carson a 'real QB' when he first came in was not a good thing. I remember mike MartZ saying the same thing when he replaced Kurt Warner. That and throwing the team under the bus, you call your players out in the locker room not in the media. Remember Callahans "dumbest team in America" comment, maybe true but you don't act like there's nothing else you can do, who wants to play for guys like that?
@RaiderDoc Definately agree with this!
Way to many mistakes, and he seemed to have gotten a little to full of himself! I wouldn't have mind keeping him, but if Reggie cut's ties with him, then it is probably what is best as it is his concept going forward! Continuity will follow - we just need the base, and that is what is being created right now!
Probably Hue wanted more decision power and influence than a normal HC has, and Reggie had to part ways to avoid a potential power struggle down the road! This way he has established his name, position and power, and he has made sure that everybody knows that he is here to do business!
When you bring in a GM you have to trust he will do what is right, as it all goes towards establishing his vision and concept! If HJ wasn't in it, then be it!
As for Palmer - he is no where near a level (Rodgers, Brady, Manning, Brees) where he has any influence on who is the HC, and nor should he in this case! This Franchise is waaaay bigger than a QB or a HC, and they need to understand their role and place in the organization!
Should Palmer decide to retire (doubt it), then he is not the type of player we want, and the trade will go down as an epic bust! But that is what it is - i expect him to play and get behind the team, and if it isn't the case, then welcome Flynn and hello future!
"... if his motivation to play is that limited, I don't want him as qb. That's exactly what we dont need. We need players with heart and fire. I think he will be happy to play for the Raiders going forward, but if you are right, I don't want him."
--> Just how i feel!
I agree. With good coordinators Cable will make a good HC again sometime. Jackson is a very good OC, one of the best. The players loved playing for Cable and that was the difference. With Jackson they didn't have that same fire especially when at the end of the season when the season was on the line and that is when they should be fired up the best!
@RaiderDoc @JarrodRollins @Harder2000 if Tom Cables personal life didn't surface he would've remained HC and Marshall would've remained DC and Hue OC, we would've no doubt made the play offs in my mind, I think Hues niche is OC moreso than HC. Tom cable was more like Art Shell (the first time around), players loved him and wanted to win for him. Not a great Xs and O guy but a guy the players would rise for. I for one loved Hues edgy playcalling, never know what he has up his sleeve. Don't always agree with it but I like that he's daring.
@DevonRaiderUK@JarrodRollins@Harder2000 There are errors from a rookie head coach, and there are ERRORs from a coach... you get one or two and a lapse here or there, but I think you would agree there is a limit. If I were head coach I'd surely screw it up and you wouldn't forgive it because I was a rookie. You would say I wasn't cut out for the job or ready for it or what not. Hue, was not ready to be a head coach.
And no, the bar is not now 8-8 though as a Raider fan I would love to think we would never be that bad again! The bar is "are we going in the direction the organization/GM/whatever feels we need to go." I don't want to take a step back, but if we have to take a step back to FINALLY take a step forward I am in. That said, I bet we are better next year than this year. I think the message of accountability is huge.
Again, we are all guessing here, and I maintain I am not positive it was the right move, but I think it probably was... and better now then a coach on the hotseat all year.
@JarrodRollins@Harder2000 The other problem with Hue's play calling is that outside of 4th down where he got crazy creative (which I kind of liked but can see both sides on), he was extremely predictable as a play caller. Look through the play by play of our games and even I can see the pattern, so I guarantee the professionals knew exactly what was coming. I suspect this had a lot to do with Bush's drop in numbers as well. Hard to run when the defense knows exactly when it's coming... unless you just keep it coming until you wear the D down, which Hue did not chose to do.
@DevonRaiderUK@Harder2000 DevonRaiderUK, I totally agree with you from the continuity standpoint. That, to me, was the only potential argument for keeping Hue. But let's be honest. He didn't do any better than the coach Al fired last. And yes, he had the offense up and running, but as head coach he was responsible for the whole team. And as a whole, we were not that good. When it mattered we were actually pretty bad. I don't have a problem with some of his aggressive play calling so much as I thought he made a lot of dumb mistakes like not going for 2 in an obvious situation, calling a time out instead of hurrying up to run a play after a questionable play, etc etc etc. My secondary problem with Hue is that he delivered on exactly zero of his promises. I could almost forgive the not making the playoffs promise, but to promise to fix the penalties then actually break the record is a little harder to swallow. All in all, I'm not 100% sure it was the best call, but if we are going to start anew I'd rather the GM go with what he wants then have another mediocre year under Hue and start again new next year. In the press conference I think Mckenzie was trying not to throw Hue under the bus too much, but I think in the end when you add all the other stuff up, then throw in Hue's last couple press conferences, he probably had to cut him.
I can't know for sure, none of us can, but I think for the first time in years there is truly a chance we might be going in the right direction. The whole organization is about to turn around. I guess we are either about to drive off the cliff, or become a factor again. I'm betting on the later.
The questions now are what becomes of this team player personal wise. If Winston Moss is given the HC position does Al Saunders stick around and become promoted to OC (having some continuity at least)? Does Palmer want to stick around without Jackson? Does this team stay as a 4-3 defense or switch to the 3-4? Let's not forget the Packers were a 4-3 only a few seasons ago and Moss was around when they switched so he could really help in the transition.
Either way, I for one am really excited about this up coming off-season to see the way this team comes together!
Devon I don't think it was the record as such that cost Jackson, but more about Jackson himself. He thought he was a bigger part of the picture and by the sounds of things that rubbed a few people up the wrong way. The fact that some of the other coaches and senior players are rumored to have approached Mark Davis about Jackson letting to much power go to his head, and him not manning up and accepting more responsibility is what cost him.
You only have to see the way the team performed at the end of the season to see they weren't playing for Jackson anymore. He had lost them and that is why a change at HC was needed.I honestly think he started to loose them when Palmer was bought in (in no way is that a knock on Palmer BTW!). The whole team seemed to sink and dig a hole as soon as Campbell went down, and acquiring Palmer should have risen them out of that hole but it didn't work that way. Maybe the players thought bringing Palmer in was a knock on Campbell (who while may not be the best QB, was this teams leader) and they didn't respond to Palmer because of that? Who knows but something wasn't right.
Look at the fire this team had at the end of last season playing for Cable. In no way am I saying Cable is a better HC, and I do believe Jackson could be a great HC somewhere, but Cable had these guys playing hard when their season was over, while Jackson couldn't have these players playing hard when all they needed to do was win to make the Playoffs!
I also think that whoever McKenzie brings in as the new HC, unlike previous years the new HC will have a couple seasons to get this team wrinkled out and this is the start of something great. The talent in this team should still easily equate to a 8-8 record no matter who the coach is next season.
@DevonRaiderUK For me it is not the record - as most have stated, a better D would most likely have resulted in a few more wins! And all rookie HC's makes mistakes, which is a natural and acceptable (to a certain degree) part of hiring a rookie HC! Plenty promising aspects this year, and still enough to work on going forward!
But if you choose to sign a GM to run your Franchise in order to make it succesful on a long term sustainable basis (which we had to do with the passing of Big Al), you have to give him the trust and power to do what he feels is needed! That includes letting him get whichever coach he believes can get the team where it needs to be - in the big bowl!
A coach is not bigger than a GM, and they have hired Reggie to become the new long term GM, heart and soul of the Raiders, so he had to make his choices with the long term concept in mind! Had Jackson made the PO, things might have been different and he could have merited a stay, but it turned out that he didn't and now a coach of the new era comes in!
I would like for the new coach to be given a chance to establish the continuity that is needed, and if it is indeed another inexperienced HC (ie Moss), then what he will need to prove, imo, is that he has the authority and ability to take this team further in the following years (if not the first)! The season will tell how everything works out, but for me it is more the intagnibles and improvements (or errors) that goes into my evaluation of a first year coach, than the eventual record! Many scenarios can have us showing promise with a worse record than 8-8, so i prefer not to set a bar! But imo, the new coach needs to be given a legit chance to prove he has what is needed to become succesful in the long run, and we need to establish the future through continuity!
Again, i definately understand your frustration and questions, but lets wait and see how the coaching decisions, hirings and firings end up looking before it is evaluated - at this point it is impossible to say anything as we have no information (besides speculations) as to what will be the staff going into next season!
@JarrodRollins@Harder2000@RaiderDoc Yep, lot of errors from the rookie HC. So you've set the benchmark that this year was unacceptable at 8-8. So you bring in Moss who like Jackson is a rookie HC. He goes 8-8 or worse next year, and makes mistakes along the way (which is extremely likely on non winning season) are you going to replace him also???? Not a tricky question, just trying to find out how long the rope is...
@DevonRaiderUK I feel the same frustration as you do! But the thing for me is that our owner, leader and general in Big Al passed away!
With him, the entire Franchise needs to be reorganized, and that will be done in the mold of Reggie McKenzie, as he has been chosen to become the new heart and soul of the Silver and Black!
Is he good? I hope so and i think so, but only time will tell! What is sure though, is that he has been brought in to reestablish the Franchise, and the only way to do it is to stick with a concept! That concept obviously didn't include Jackson, and although i had personally seen him return for a second year, i respect the decision as i believe Reggie needs to be given the trust and power to do what he feels is needed! We can only speculate as to what got Jackson cut, but as he was talking about getting more involved, more responsibilities, it quite possibly is a power struggle, and if so, then he would have to go in order for McKenzie to establish himself as a legit and serious GM!
I want our team to succeed as much as anyone, ALL raidernation does! But if we want continuity (which is one of the keys to consistent success), then we need or GM (which has changed with the Al passing) to create the foundation in a coherent way!
We can all agree that the Defense was horrible and that a total overhaul was indeed needed here, and a potential scheme change is fine by me - Chucky is gone, so everything will be an improvement, and i keep my fingers crossed that this is the time it changes for good!
On offense i personally hope Saunders is kept and potentially promoted to an actual OC, as it would supply the continuity needed and he is in fact an offensive mastermind that would, imo, fit very well into what Reggie wants!
What will happen now, and how i will evaluate what has happened now will have to wait until i have a more complete image of what Reggie is doing! I firmly believe that when all contracts is said and done, it will make a lot more sense, as we will be able to see the direction he wants! Also looking forward to the press conference, as he may shed some light on his intentions!
For now, i believe that a new GM was the right decision, that Reggie has been a solid choice, and that he will establish a strong, modern foundation that will ensure a continuous success in the future! Time will tell if i am right in my trust!
@Harder2000@RaiderDoc HuJack's lame-duck 2nd half play-calling attributed to all or most of the Raider's losses just as much as the piss poor defense did. Too many times did i see HuJack just give up on a drive cuz of the down and distance. Too many mistakes, terrible handling of injuries, and he was getting power-hungry to boot. Oh, yeah, did he ever get a handle on that pesky little penalty problem like he kept saying he would all season long? Nope, Raider's set NFL records with number of penalties and penalty yards.
Did HuJack ever try to tweak the OLine when Satele was obviously not a good C and when we played much better with Wiz II at C? Nope, he kept Samson "The Turnstile" Satele in when he was healthy. Did he ever try to bench Khalif "The Drive Killa" Barnes when he played poorly and was causing a lot of penalties? Nope, he kept him in too. I think the way he handled Ronald McDonald's arrest was atrocious as well.
A majority of the mistakes he made were inexcusable, even for a rookie HC. Since defense is our biggest weakness, I am actually expecting that Winston Moss will be the new HC and that Reggie would bring in Darren Perry as the DC. yes, the GB defense weren't that great statistically but that is namely due to the offense scoring so many points and therefore forcing teams to throw a lor more to try and keep up. Not to mention that GB forces a lot of turnovers. Perry has made C Wood even better when he was a pro bowler with Oakland. Moss oversaw a group of LBers that had a beast in Clay Matthews and a rising star in Desmond Bishop.
@Harder2000@RaiderDoc I just dont get you guys. You talk about building a base yet we're still on a perpetual merry go round. When Reggie McK appoints a new HC (who will then appoint a new DC) what are you expecting next season? Who's to say Reggie Mck is going to have all the answers? Green Bay have had a great history in recent times mainly due to Favre and Reggie White - both arriving before RM started in Green Bay. I'm sure most Head Coaches would do very nicely for a decade building their Offenses and Defenses around those two.
So what does record the new HC have to get to stay in post? Would you put up with 2 or 3 more losing seasons????
Yep I agree that he made two many mistakes like going for it on 4th and 1 and not getting, when we could have got a field goal. However he said he would make aggressive O play calling, and he did and they didn't come off, however if were gunna make the playoffs we need to take some risk along the way and this is what Hue has tried to do this.
@DevonRaiderUK if that happens then they'll bring in that back up qb from Green Bay and give him a go. I'm not even sure if Pryor will be given a shot. I'm with you, I'm dissappointed. We wanted a new GM and we got it, along with every decision he makes, good or bad. If he's as good as everyone says he is then ill have to do my best and not second guess him
@Raidah If that scenario happened it just wouldn't be that simple. Matt Flynn has had ONE outstanding game. Yet he's gonna command plenty of bucks when he goes to FA. Who's going to gamble a fortune on somebody who could quite easily be benefiting from the outstanding receivers they have in Green Bay????? Some teams will but he's totally unproven. He could quite easily flop in the wrong system and under a brand new OC that the Raiders would have.
@nilbymouth @DevonRaiderUK exactly, and I don't think he'll command a whole lot because of one game, I'm not sure if any team is willing to pay that and as Mckenzie has already stated he doesn't need to pay big bucks to bring in good players. Also Devon, although its true Green Bay has a WR group, Raiders are not too shabby either, speaking mainly about Moore, Ford, Boss and then having McFadden back healthy, I think any QB would be attracted to play here. I think that's also why Carson will stay.
@DevonRaiderUK I 100% agree with this, what happens if our new HC decides that he thinks our D co-ordinator, then we have to put up with chuck, for even longer, making these rubbish defensive plays.
O Come on, like Mckenzie fired Jackson but will allow Bresnahan to stay. Then he will hire Josh mcDaniels as the head coach and when Palmer gets upset and retires again, he will talk Jamarcus out of retirement.
Palmer was not talked out of retirement by Jackson. He just wanted out of the Bengals, period. They had quite the circus act going on over there with T.O. and Ochcinco. He was just sick of it. I have no doubt he will be up for playng next year.
I too wanted to see Jackson given another year as I thought he did some good thngs. He did need to have his power scaled back, however. If this was going to be a problem then a change needed to be made. I am hoping this will lead to a greater sense of stability going forward.
As I said before it happened, mixed feelings I this. And I am a little surprised, but overall probably a good move. Hue clearly wasn't yet cut out for head coach. I would have been ok with some continuity for once, but it's a good time to clean house and actually build a bully for once instead of talking about it.
@raidersbuzztap yea !!!!
@LeviDamien will you be at press conference today??